Meeples & Miniatures – Episode 55

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Welcome to Episode 55 of the Meeples & Miniatures Podcast.

In this show, I am once again joined by Rich Jones, and we discuss various games during our chat together.

The main focus of the show are the new Black Powder rules from Warlord Games. However, we also chat about various other games, including Nuts! and Battlefield Evolution: Pacific War.

I also review Extra Impetus #2 and the new Ancible magazine.

I hope you enjoy the show.

00:00   Intro
02:40   Podcast News
05:35   Competition
10:35   Gaming (Battlefield: World at War –  Pacific Expansion, Nuts)
38:45   Review: The Ancible Magazine
48:40   Review: Black Powder
114:10 Review: Extra Impetus #2
120:35 Closing Comments

32 Comments on Meeples & Miniatures – Episode 55

  1. I really enjoyed this episode Neil. Thanks to yourself and Rich Jones for putting on a good show. Black Powder and Pacific Wargaming – my favourite topics at this point of time.
    Cheers
    Paul

  2. It was a good show to do, lots of fun!

  3. Well done Neil and Rich, a very informative show. As someone who has also played Black Powder a few times (including with the authors), I was pleased to hear that your opinions, both of the book itself and the mechanisms, are in accord with my own.

    No doubt the subject will come up again in the next View from the Veranda, due to be recorded very soon!

    I was also interested in Neil’s thoughts about the Ancible — I saw a copy last weekend for the first time and have to say that it wasn’t entirely what I had been expecting.

  4. I was interested to hear the detailed comments on the Black Powder rules. They gave me a good idea of what the rules are about and were very useful.

    On the subject of cost, I agree that for what the book is, the price is fair. My problem is that ‘what the book is’ doesn’t represent what I want. If I’m in the market for a set of rules, I don’t really want a £30 coffee table book. Even for a book about wargaming which includes a set of rules, £30 is a bit more than I want to consider.

    Perhaps production values have gone rather too far in this case. I can do without the parchment coloured paper and the reams of colour photos: just publish the text and some decent illustrations which support my understanding of the rules and give me a bit of inspiration.

    Maybe the authors are right and this is what the market demands or needs at this time. I’m afraid it isn’t what I want or need. I’m in the market for a decently printed set of rules with some appropriate illustrations and a bit of background explanation, in a softback cover for maybe £12-£15.

    Personally, I hope the trend for expensive, high production value rule sets stops as soon as possible: because I can’t afford them!

    Best wishes for the future success of your podcasts, and Happy Christmas.

    Keith.

  5. Great podcast, and I really enjoyed Rich’s contributions, esp that last bit of advice from his Dad. 😉

    The review of Black Powder has me wanting it, primarily because of Rich’s explanation of how he uses it with 10mm. (I’d probably go for 6mm to do Directory-period French & Austrians.) I don’t have room for a giant gaming table, but like the idea of a rules set that is elegant and workable for 200 years of history. And the ‘character’ of it is a big plus for me. I’ll stick with Sharp Practice for my 28mm Napoleonic skirmishes, but Black Powder is a real contender for smaller scale (6mm) larger battles.

    Thanks guys.

  6. Thanks guys … and my dad’s advice is going to last me all my life no worries about that!

  7. Hey Henry,
    Watch out as apparently if your take over BP is the same as mine you will get Siggo battering at your door too, declaring he is depressed with your attitude towards history and rule books like he publicly declared he is with mine on my BP Yahoo Group … gee I am SOOoooo gutted to have upset his delicate sensibilities with the podcast … not 🙂

    • Oh Dear.

      Hard hat required then – Henry was positively ‘gushing’ yesterday. If you thought you talked too much…

      “word…edgeways…couldn’t”

      🙂

  8. I loved the show and may invest in the impertus rules,if not just to look at the “samaritans” army list you mentioned:-)

  9. commander_roj // December 17, 2009 at 00:48 // Reply

    Echoing others i heartily enjoyed the show and Rich’s input and the dialogue with neil were excelent. i’m not really (well…not) into the Black Powder period and yet i still found discussion of this and everthing else enormously interesting from a general wargaming perspective.

  10. Black Powder certainly sounded interesting, but a bit contradictory.

    Eye candy, coffee table type rulebook, the large time range, and the more general rules seem to be very new player friendly, but the number of figures seems to require someone who has already invested quite a bit of time and effort into a specific period. Would that person not already have a rule set specific to their favorite period?

    Perhaps then, this is a rule set for the experienced player who has run the course through the competitive scene and wants to back off – take a break so to speak, and play something more friendly?

    • It’s funny you should bring this up Jonathan, as I have exactly this conversation with Henry Hyde in the latest View from the Veranda (coming soon to an mp3 player near you!)

      I won’t spoil it by divulging our conclusions, but suffice it to say that we get sufficiently distracted by all things ‘Black Powder’ and related subjects that we never actually discuss our initial intended content!

  11. For me the rules allow me to play with my various gaming mates who have different period interests and whose normal rules wouldn’t allow me to just ‘rock up’ and have a game etc. With BP we can have whatever game we want with different figure collections but don’t have to worry about learning a new set of ‘stodgy’ rules.

  12. Just listened to episode 55. Well done lads. Though I was wondering if I’m being too “picky” about the less than stellar sound quality (IMHO) on Rich’s microphone?

    Keep up the great work!

    Merry Christmas!

    • Michael

      Yes, it wasn’t the best was it? I’m not sure if it was just Rich’s microphone, or the fact that Skype was throwing one of it’s tantrums…

      We shall try and do better next time…

      Neil

  13. So am I to understand correctly that BP is primarily focused on 15mm or smaller-scale battles? I was hoping it would give me an excuse to start buying more of those wonderful 28mm Warlord ECW. And I have a friend who has a metric ton of SYW stuff in 25mm, and is looking for a ruleset (IIRC).

    Anyway, thanks for another year of great podcasts and vidcasts. Hope you have a merry Christmas and a wonderful New Year’s!

    • Mark

      Well, BP can be used with any scale figure – and the book exclusively features 28mm figures from the Perry’s collection. However, if you play in 28mm scale, be prepared to play on a big table…6’x12′. Playing in 15mm (or even 10mm/6mm) brings the game back down to playing on a 6′ x 4′ board.

      And you couldn’t use the ECW figures with these rules, as the ECW was in the 17th Century – BP cover 18th & 19th Century warfare…
      If you want to game with Warlord ECW, can I suggest Warhammer English Civil War?

      Neil

  14. Thanks a lot, Neil! Next time I’ll make sure to listen AFTER I have my morning coffee.

    I have the WECW rules, but have never given them a full read-through. I am a big fan of the basic WAB set, though.

    A friend of mine actually grafted the Warmaster command-and-control rules onto the WECW rules for his ECW and TYW games. It worked pretty good.

    Thanks again!

  15. Great show – I really enjoyed the show and the overall discussion about the Black Powder ruleset. More importantly, I managed to complete a unit of 28mm Carabiniers while listening to show – who knew your podcast was such an effective efficiency tool!

    Please keep up the good work!

  16. Hi Neil

    I’ve just played my first game of BP, in 28mm on a 6x 4 tables and it worked ok

    we only had a single brigade per player and about 80 figs per side but the rules still worked well, all we did was to reduce move rates by 50%, fire rates were left as per the book.

    next week I’ll split the brigade into 2 and see how that works

    have a great new year

    Mike

  17. Hi, just found this site and i must say i am impressed, especially with your pod cast, its a well presented and articulate piece of work, and passes on valuable and informed information.
    On a personal note, thankyou for reviewing the Ancible Magazine, i am a small part of the team myself, but the main inspiration behind it is Kenny Robb the owner and Ian Barstow the editor, they basically run it from Kennies Back room. I for one will be taking on board all the points you raised for future articles, and will be pointing Kenny at this pod cast.

    Keep up the good work.

    Ian Cook

  18. Once again Rich Jones proves that he is a gamer and not a wargamer. He constantly says that “it doesn’t matter” if things bear no relationship to history, so long as you have a good game.

    • and is that a bad thing?

      • Did I actually say that though?
        Basically there has to be a trade off if one wants a quick fun game … anyway how do you know what I play mate? Not that it is any of your business but my gaming includes rules like Final Combat, probably the most ‘realistic’ WWII skirmish out there – 3-4 hours for a 40 second firefight, obviously not a wargame in your eyes – I apologise!
        Anyway I have never said it doesn’t matter if it bears no relationship – I always say the rules should have ‘period feel’ with a quick set set of rules this can not be complex … we were reviewing a set of rules aimed at fun with period feel rather than complexity and the ultimate in realism what’s the problem mate?
        If a game only has a bit of period feel and then isn’t a ‘good’ fun game it would have little going for it in my opinion. A good ‘realistic’ feel (like in Shock of Impact – my favourite ancients rules) is great to play at times too, when I have the time etc.

        What makes a ‘wargamer’ and not an anorak is the ability to choose a set of rules to suit the moment and there will probably be a trade off in one way or another.

        Not that I really give a flying one anyway but I can’t really see what point you are making to be honest.

      • I thought about chiming in on this…but Rich is big enough to look after himself 🙂

      • Yeh it’s true … you’ll all be pleased to know I have spent the last few days playing some ‘proper’ wargame rules with even named units (1815 Lasalle) …

        🙂

      • oh come on Rich, we all know LaSalle is one of those glossy overpriced rulebooks and is therefore not as good as zerox’d rules that have been handed around from wargamer to wargamer in secret ceremonies since 1980, I bet LaSalle hasn’t even got a different move rate for Austrian infantry in the Autumn of 1809 compared to Spring 1810 when one unit had new boots and were therefore able to move faster

        And don’t get me started on playing any 1815 wargames, proper wargamers only recreate secret battles that haven’t been given a one hour program on the History channel, Waterloo is played by gamers not serious wargamers, in fact it’s one step away from fantasy.

        And anyway you have given it all away when you say you “played” a game, real wargamers do re-enactments of real battles using miniature figurines they don’t “play a game” that’s far too immature. You know wargaming isn’t meant to be fun it’s a serious hobby for serious people

        Mike

        PS please ignore everything I’ve just said I think my nurse has mixed up my medication again

      • Oh BUGGER I have failed …
        I am not a real wargamer … oh my life … I am off to make some house rules for the wheeling rates … but am stuck as I can’t find the density of the mud in Northern Austria compared to just over the border … oh no!!!!

  19. How can people get so worked up over a set of rules.

  20. I use carnage and glory pc run wargames rules,which means i never have to work out a modifier or kept another rooster of casualties but this still wont stop me buying blackpowder or any other eye candy rule book but thats just me,i just love this hobby.:)

  21. Pete (sentient bean) // February 3, 2010 at 23:51 // Reply

    Great show fellas. The review of BP was perfect. More of the dynamic duo to come or was this a one off?

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